Host Ed Sutkowski talks with Phil Ryan, an Iconoclast.

Phil defined Phil and described his quantative approach to qualitative issues, i.e., how a social service provider analyzes productivity and benefits conferred. He expressed his views as to the current status of not-for-profits, compared and contrasted for-profits and not-for-profits. Phil’s special focus related to the role of Social Impact Bonds – suggested in a recent issue of The Economist and in more detail by Jeffrey B. Libeman, a Harvard professor in his February 2011 paper issued by the Center for American Progress. The approach: cause not-for-profits to emulate the role of the for-profit, i.e., “skin in the game” in the form of bonds issued by a tax-exempt organization.